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hello

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and welcome to episode number 10 of the

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point of convergence podcast

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as always i'm your host exo academian

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slowly but surely and with increasing

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pace in recent years

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the human population is waking up to the

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idea that our world is being visited by

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intelligences from elsewhere as our

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sensor systems grow

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ever more refined with each

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technological iteration

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and the planet becomes increasingly

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populated with increasingly high

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definition cameras

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the evidence for the presence of these

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others will undoubtedly

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only grow forcing at some point you

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would imagine

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a true reckoning by human civilization

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at some point as a society we'll need to

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openly ask this question of the ufo

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phenomenon

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at one point in human history the answer

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to the question

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as to the origin of these visitors

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seemed obvious

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almost to the point where the question

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didn't even need to be asked

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from many people's perspective if they

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weren't human

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then surely they must be from out there

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meaning outer space

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and more specifically from some other

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planet located within some far-flung

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within the milky way galaxy or perhaps

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this argument is known as the eth the

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but over time several considerations

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to cause this assumption as to the

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origin of these others to be called into

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first there was the understanding that

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the sheer distances involved

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in such travel were so pun intended

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that the notion of transversing that

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distance in something like a spacecraft

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seemed unlikely even if such vehicles

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secondly the data regarding the nature

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of the appearances of these others

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seemed peculiar sometimes they appeared

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nuts and bolts quote-unquote craft with

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even of crash retrievals from such

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vehicles going back 70 years now

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while at other times they seem to appear

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more as manifestations of light

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or of hyperspace kinds of objects that

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could transform shape

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and then thirdly there is the

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contributing factor of our evolving

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sense of the nature of the cosmos

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the very fabric of reality itself in the

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science has postulated not just the

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three plus one dimensions of reality

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we're familiar with

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but something more like a matrix of 10

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as one finds described in string theory

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thus the notion of reality being a

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fabric of fixed space

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where travel always necessitated

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add to the mix that these others looked

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and that they in some form or another

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all along going back into the depths of

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has led some to postulate the source of

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these others as being not so much merely

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extraterrestrial as interdimensional

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these are issues that are perhaps just

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as complex to unravel as they are

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intriguing to engage with

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but that's exactly what we'll attempt in

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this the 10th episode

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of the point of convergent podcast

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now first off you may have noticed the

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peculiar title of this week's episode

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from whence they came a closer look at

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the extraterrestrial

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and interdimensional hypotheses that

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wentz is an interesting one it's an old

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ever hear it anymore but the reason i

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used it is because it has a double

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it can mean where as well as source

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and that's particularly apt for today's

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and why because to remind you of

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something

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jacques valet said that we quoted in a

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podcast on another episode

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the evidence suggests that the way they

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manipulate space-time suggests they

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could be from anywhere

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and any time and indeed jacques valet

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came to believe that the

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extraterrestrial hypothesis was

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too limited too simple an explanation

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to explain the fullness of the data

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and he wrote in the book dimensions

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researchers who claim that ufos are

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interplanetary visitors

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such a conclusion is not only premature

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but is contradicted by several basic

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facts that become apparent only when one

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takes a historical perspective

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unquote figures like jacques vallee

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and a man like j allen heineck that he

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alternate hypotheses to explain the

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valet went on to spell out his

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objections to the eth

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as a singular and complete explanation

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of the ufo phenomenon

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after all he didn't reject it entirely

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he just didn't think it

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took into consideration all of the data

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and he spelled it out in a

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piece he wrote called five arguments

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against the extraterrestrial origin

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of unidentified flying objects

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and what i'd like to do is just go

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through this piece that jacques wrote

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to outline the five objections because i

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think they do a good job of

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this hypothesis alone doesn't really

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either do not exist the natural

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a visitation by some advanced race of

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space travelers the extraterrestrial

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research on ufos

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indicate that ufos are real

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represent a previously unrecognized

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and that the facts do not support the

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five specific arguments articulated here

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than required for any physical survey of

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alleged aliens is not likely to have

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the reported behavior in thousands of

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the extension of the phenomenon

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the apparent ability of ufos to

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suggests radically different and richer

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three of which are proposed in outline

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unquote and this is interesting from my

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shows how our perspectives change over

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light travel and that they were here

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think about how many encounters there

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there were so many of these all around

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the world that if really the aliens were

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just here to survey the earth

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that just doesn't really hold up and

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and is not biologically adapted to space

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were remarkably humanoid and we know

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that species basically evolve

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the humanoid structure just is

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strikingly similar to our own

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makes you think

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of genetic or scientific experimentation

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by an advanced race unquote

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something we've touched on on several

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some of these experiences

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some of these interactions when you

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think about an advanced

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scientifically minded species like

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vulcans

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on star trek for instance then the kind

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of

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like

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procedures that are conducted upon

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people just doesn't really seem

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similar to that not at all and so again

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that makes jacque

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question this notion that their visitors

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from elsewhere

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and number four is somewhat similar or

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at least it touches on a similar

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point it is quote the extension of the

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phenomenon throughout recorded human

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history demonstrates that ufos are not a

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contemporary phenomenon

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unquote and again what he's getting at

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here is when he actually

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looked back at distant human history

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even in religious texts and whatnot that

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inspired

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religious belief and the creation of

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dogma and things like that

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he found that there was remarkable

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similarity especially when you get past

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some of the facade nature and look at

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the underlying

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undercurrent source it seemed very

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similar to the point where

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jaw concluded that perhaps the same

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phenomenon has been

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interacting with us throughout human

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history and

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as we talked about before this may even

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been about them

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and number five was quote the apparent

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ability of ufos to manipulate space and

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time

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suggests radically different and richer

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alternatives

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unquote and what jacques is getting at

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here

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is why limit yourself to the notion that

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these are space

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travelers from some far-flung planet who

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came across

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vast distances to merely do a scientific

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survey of the earth

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when the manipulation of space and time

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suggests

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you can draw from a much bigger pot

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again as you said elsewhere

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they could be from anywhere and any time

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and

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come into play

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all sorts of notions that go far beyond

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the simplistic

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traveling across space from one fixed

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point to another

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and as i mentioned earlier jacques valet

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and people like jl and heineck and even

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people like john keel who suggested

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similar ideas

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were very much ahead of their time but

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has science has continued to develop to

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evolve and to propose

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new models of the universe then these

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notions of perhaps these being

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interdimensional travelers

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has gained even more steam and is taken

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even more seriously now

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than it was when jacques originally

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and that leads us to the next section of

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the podcast where we'll discuss this

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notion of interdimensionality

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what does this mean well interestingly

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as i just touched on

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science has come to embrace this notion

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and why well it really comes down to

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numbers to mathematics in science

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when you can't test something directly

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you propose

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models mathematical models that make

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sense of all the data

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and when physicists began to generate

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these models they found that

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things just made more sense were more

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elegant worked well together

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when you at first proposed one

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additional dimension beyond our

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three spatial dimensions and one

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dimension of time

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and this led to another dimension and

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another dimension again because this

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worked better with the math until

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eventually you came up with a notion

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like

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string theory which proposes 10

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spatial dimensions and one dimension of

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so if these additional dimensions exist

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where are they

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why can't we see or perceive them in any

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way

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well physicists assume that they are

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incredibly small almost unfathomably so

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coiled up in the smallest elements of

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reality

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and this would explain why we don't see

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or perceive them of course

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i would also suggest that other kinds of

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dimensions might exist that are not just

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non-perceivable because they're so small

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but because they just

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are beyond the bandwidth of our

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perception

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i would suggest that just as a chameleon

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can change its color depending on its

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environment

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there may be intelligences that can do

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this in terms of manifesting

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visually physically within our own band

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of perceived dimensions in our 3d plus

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one space

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and this could be done either via

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advanced technology

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or perhaps by some innate evolutionary

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ability

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as i've discussed on a previous podcast

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in fact that might be what's going on

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with entities like we see

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at skinwalker ranch

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and just to be clear it's not so much

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physicists who are making that

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last point i'm making that point that

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there very well may be

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entities that exist right here and have

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always been here

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but have the capacity to move in and out

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of our perception

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that's what i'm suggesting and we can

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think of a dimension in this way

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now in popular culture when we hear

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discussion of

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parallel universes or multiple

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dimensions

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that refers to a couple different ideas

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in science

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one notion is that of membranes and this

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is a model that's been

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postulated even more recently than

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string theory

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the idea here is that you may have

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multiple 3d

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experiential universes and think of

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these like sheets of a newspaper

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and each universe is a sheet of that

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newspaper

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and picture an ant walking along one

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sheet that's all it's aware of all it

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can interact with

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but on a different sheet of the

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newspaper a different ant is walking

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along

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and never the two shall meet in fact

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they aren't even aware of each other

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so what science is postulating here with

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the membranes theory

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is that there may be a total nine

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dimensions

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so that's the totality which contains

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within it

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multiple 3d experiential universes

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so single sheets of paper and the whole

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newspaper think about it that way

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and again in terms of our topic today

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this could work right if this is

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true if this turns out to be actually an

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accurate description

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of the totality you have a multiverse

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which is actually

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membranes of individual universes that

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might be

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really close to each other but still

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separate to those

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beings inside each universe but what if

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these

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others have found ways to punch holes

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between the different sheets to

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transverse that distance from one sheet

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of the newspaper to another

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that may be what's going on here that's

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another notion

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of interdimensionality

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another way that we can think about

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interdimensionality that actually has to

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do with

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science is the notion of a model called

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the many worlds theory and this was

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proposed by a man named hugh everett in

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the 1950s

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and what he proposed was shocking and

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revolutionary

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and yet as time has gone on it's held

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its ground

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it seems to be supported by the

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experimental data

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what whoever it proposed was that every

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time

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you come to a point where a decision is

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made the universe basically splits in

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two

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that there's a universe where you

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ordered

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a burger and there's a universe where

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you ordered the salad

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yes indeed and how often does this

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happen

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apparently very very very often almost

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unfathomably often every time

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a decision is made at any point in the

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universe by any conscious being

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the universe basically splits into two

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copies of itself

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and this goes on and on and on and

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always has gone on

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now admittedly this is a little

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difficult to wrap your head around it

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first

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and it goes against our notion of common

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sense

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but again over time we found time and

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time again

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that science doesn't follow a notion of

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common sense

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that changes with uh

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advanced scientific understanding now

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the many worlds

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theory is an extension of quantum theory

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and basically what hugh everett was

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trying to do was to make sense of what

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we see

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happening in the quantum world

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and what do we find when we look at the

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quantum world when we study that

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micro level of reality

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well we find things that just don't make

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any sense whatsoever

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they go completely against our notion of

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the way that reality works

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namely we find things like a single atom

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can be in two places at the same time

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that's a notion called

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superposition and this is where we come

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to the observer effect

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perhaps you've heard about this it's

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extremely bizarre

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the idea is that it's only when an

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observer actually looks

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makes a measurement about the location

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of that atom

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that it actually chooses you could say

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one place over another

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it is the act of observing itself that

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collapses the waveform

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and actually makes the decision point

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again very strange

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goes against our common sense and yet

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this has been proven

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and without getting too far into the

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weeds here

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what hugh ever is basically proposing

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when it comes to this quantum world

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is that every time that the atom for

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instance

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chooses one place over another it moves

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from superposition

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where all we can predict is a range of

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places it could be

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and actually chooses one or the other

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every time that happens

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basically the universe splits into

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that's how often this happens and that's

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how this gets resolved that

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every time this happens that something

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like an atom moves from superposition

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into actually a finite position we can

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measure

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the universe splits into uh one

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universe where the atom ended up in

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place a and another universe where the

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atom ended up in place b

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so perhaps you're asking yourself how in

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the world

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does this relate to our topic today what

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does this have to do with the others the

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visitors these

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potential aliens well if you think about

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it

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at any time in our history in our long

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history in the history of the universe

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or even the history of the earth

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one universe may have split off from

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another and so perhaps these

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others are actually other versions of us

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or other versions of sentient beings

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humanoids that walk the earth at one

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point and at some point split it off

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into a different dimension a different

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universe itself

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and that perhaps these beings have the

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ability to transverse that

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gap between the two universes

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and if you think about it this would

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resolve the issue that

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jacques valet raised that we discussed

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earlier in this podcast

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why do they appear humanoid why do they

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appear almost like they are native to

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the earth

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well this would explain it this would

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explain how they could actually be

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evolved creatures from something like

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the earth

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just not our earth an earth in a

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i mean the more you think about this the

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more it makes sense at least potentially

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think about some of the different kinds

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of alien creatures we've discussed

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on this podcast in previous episodes the

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mantids

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why do they look almost exactly like

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praying mantises from our world

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just a lot bigger or the reptilians

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why do they look a lot like lizards

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crossed with human beings

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again this could be because they share

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a distant history with us but at some

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point the universe has split

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and they have evolved one way and we

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now we have to remember that these

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notions we've discussed today

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are based on science's most recent

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understanding

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of the fabric of reality itself at least

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its most recent postulations

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and this understanding is growing year

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by year

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and we're making fairly gargantuan leaps

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from decade to decade

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in other words you can guarantee we'll

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learn even more

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that will inform our understanding of

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where these others may be coming from

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but already we see a very rich and

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fascinating

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tapestry of possibilities emerging

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a couple final points i'd like to make

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first off

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again whether these are interdimensional

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or not

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this doesn't preclude the idea that they

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may also be extraterrestrial

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they may be coming from a vast distance

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as well as crossing dimensions or coming

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across a vast distance

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from a different universe but also

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popping in from

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one to the other so again even these

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notions of being this one or the other

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may eventually collapse as we understand

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it's also important to remember that the

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phenomenon is not just one thing

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we use that term to describe the

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totality of various phenomena

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but it's important to remember that it

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is actually phenomena

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and so in that sense we may have both of

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these things going on

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we may have some visitors who are

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interdimensional in nature

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while others actually are from our own

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physical universe and have found a way

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indeed to take this even further there

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may be entities and we have evidence of

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this actually

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who are more based on light they are not

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really physical

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in structure whatsoever and these kind

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of beings may actually exist in multiple

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universes

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simultaneously because of their makeup

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their different makeup

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and in that sense we might use the word

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intra

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dimensional to describe them that would

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actually be more accurate

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in other words we're likely dealing with

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a plethora of possibilities

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a plethora of realities and this will

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likely only get more fascinating the

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more we learn

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and on that note we've come to the close

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of another edition

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of the point of convergence podcast

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and as i like to say let's keep this

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conversation going

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